Thursday, December 28, 2006

The Turner-Chan War: Cause of Conflict

As you may or may not know, Hal Turner's radio show was brought to a financial stand-still by DoS attackers. More information can be found here.

Because the events of the past week have transpired so quickly, the intentions of Anonymous have been misconstrued. Turner believes he is under attack because of his personal opinions, and that we are infringing on his right to free speech. He repeatedly uses this stance to appeal to his fans, and ultimately to supplement his budget.

I'm all for the freedom of speech. If Turner wants to be racist, he has every right to be. To speak one's mind without fear of retribution is a part of the foundation and spirit of America. However, when one's words begin to infringe on the rights of others (such as the advocacy of imminent violence) speech is no longer protected.

While some users may be motivated by Turner's racism, it is not the primary reason for the attacks. It began "for the lulz"--for laughs--during the December 20th broadcast which resulted in a number of prank phone calls (although interestingly enough, it has been stated the prank calls were to shed negative light on Turner for failing to help the white movement).

The laughter turned to anger when the contact information of some of the callers was posted on Turner's website. Browsing through the comments made on the December 20th show, it becomes clear that Turner was urged to post this information, often with claims of violent response. Sadly, all of the comments have been deleted, but if anyone has screen shots—please, let me know.

Turner knew what kind of audience he was releasing the information to. In fact, Turner openly admits the use of a "personal army" to carry out his threats. An example audio clip can be found here (NSFW).

Turner has an extensive history of threats, many of which leading to violence against a highlighted target. For example, Turner wrote the following:

"Let me just take this opportunity to remind U.S. District Judge Lawrence Karlton, that I, me, Hal Turner, uttered on this radio show that a ruling that had been made by a different Federal Judge, Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow, in Chicago...I uttered that her ruling made her worthy of being killed and in March of this year her family was murdered. I don't like this ruling that was issued by U.S. District Judge Lawrence Karlton in San Francisco, saying that the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional. I hope I don't have to make a similar utterance about Judge Karlton like I made about Judge Lefkow. You people on the Federal Bench think you can't be gotten *can* be gotten to."

After the death of the Lefkow’s family, Turner posted a picture of her with the headline of “Gotcha!” For more examples of his threats, visit this article.

While no direct connection can be made between Turner and the murders, it is obvious he has a level of influence in the white supremacist community. It is also clear he gave the contact information of minors to an audience who stated they were willing to commit acts of violence in his name. If this isn’t a clear and present danger, I don’t know what is.

The following is quoted from Anonymous:

Federal Interstate Stalking Law

In terms of what Mr. Turner can be punished under, I cite § 2261A of TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 110A:
(1) travels in interstate or foreign commerce or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or enters or leaves Indian country, with the intent to kill, injure, harass, or intimidate another person, and in the course of, or as a result of, such travel places that person in reasonable fear of the death of, or serious bodily injury to, that person, a member of the immediate family (as defined in section 115) of that person, or the spouse or intimate partner of that person; or
(2) with the intent—
(A) to kill or injure a person in another State or tribal jurisdiction or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States; or
(B) to place a person in another State or tribal jurisdiction, or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, in reasonable fear of the death of, or serious bodily injury to—
(i) that person;
(ii) a member of the immediate family (as defined in section 115) of that person; or
(iii) a spouse or intimate partner of that person,
uses the mail or any facility of interstate or foreign commerce to engage in a course of conduct that places that person in reasonable fear of the death of, or serious bodily injury to, any of the persons described in clauses (i) through (iii),
shall be punished as provided in section 2261 (b).

Those that threatened Mr. Turner are also subject to the same law; however, from my recollections, the callers stated that his wife and son would be "raped by a band of black men and Hispanics" and could easily be dismissed in court if the defendants can prove that they have no association with such individuals. If on the other hand the callers explicitly stated that they would be performing the aforementioned action of rape, then they would be facing similar punishments. However, given that Mr. Turner is not well received by many in the legal community, and given the age of the perpetrators, I imagine their sentence would be far less than his.

Beyond this, Mr. Turner can also be charged under § 876 TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 41 for mailing threatening communications, § 1461 TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 71 for mailing obscene or crime-inciting matter, § 1470 TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 71 for the transfer of obscene material to minors, and finally § 241 TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 13 for conspiracy against rights.

He states he cannot be touched by law enforcement officials because the physical threats to the minors have not been carried out. Aside from a faked incident of attack on a prankster (found here), no one has been physically injured. Personally, I believe it is inappropriate to wait for an incident to occur. Turner’s past threats, combined with the stated intentions of harming the minors by his supporters, it is easy to comprehend the possibility of violence as a result of Turner's actions. This is the intention of attacks, and the cause of the Turner-Chan War. Not because we care about what he has to say.


Jay said...

Hal turner says that people are threatening to rape his wife ect. Htese threats were made over the internet. He then goes and says that he cannot get in touble for his threats as they are over the internet and therefore they dont count.
But he still believes he can get people V& for exactly the same thing!
Hes digging himself into a very deep hole.

James said...

Hal can't fucking take a joke. He brought these attacks upon himself.

Plus, most of the threats that he talked about were a fabrication he made to appeal to his audience.

While I don't agree with his redneck neo-nazi drivel, I understand that he has the right to say it.
But what he DOESN'T have the right to do is make threats. That's the reason for these attacks, not because Anonymous is closing the pool on racism, no. Most of Anonymous is racist anyway, which Hal failed to realize. He also failed to realize one vital thing, that will end up being the death of him.

Anonymous is everywhere.

Anonymous is mighty.

Anonymous does not forgive.

And remember, when Anonymous comes knocking at your door, don't bother to call for help. Your friends and family, even your dog, are already dead.

tunginobi said...

Many a duststorm has been kicked up over the true roots of this conflict, so it's good to see this in black and white.

Anonymous said...

Isn't his mom dead, cause he keeps saying shit about us calling her. INFO PLX.

Rob said...

No, she's alive, apparently. Hal probably said she died so he could get monies.

Machin said...

Rob: She's alive, but apparently his father's either dead or sick. He did switch the deaths, I believe, after being called on it several times, and mentioned his mother "taking care" of his father due to some illness.

Sophren: I'm hunting around for those screencaps. Doubtful any'll turn up, but won't hurt to look.

James said...

Wow, I've noticed that a lot less neo-nazi rednecks have commented on this one. I guess they lost the will to go on after reading that last article.

Another thing that the stormfronters and Turner fans seem to not understand is that these attacks were not conducted by the chans as a whole, it was merely conducted by a few anonymii who used /b/ to gather more to their cause.

Seriously, 136,000 /b/tards probably doesn't account for 7% of them at best. And that's just from 4chan. Most of the chans have a /b/ too, and probably would be MORE than glad to counter-attack any stormfront-faggotry. Hell, /b/ is a fuck of a lot more widespread than white supremacy will probably ever be. And if stormfront is stupid enough to try and conduct an organized attack on them, they'd also have to deal with the 93% that have remained idle up until now, and that's just the 4chan population.

In all likelihood, when the Mods get back from the holidays, 4chan will still be alive, stormfront will be beyond fucked, and a bunch of people are gonna be banned.

Of course, since I was in no way involved with the attacks, I'm totally safe from any stormfronter, or Mod. So good for me :)

Captain said...

Heh heh, yeah, me too James.

The Legion can't be brought down so easily.

Jack said...

Hal uses the "real money" and "ddos" argument.

lets take that apart, shall we?

1. Hal stated on his show that the damages were $1800. His lawyer demanded $5000 up front. he says he cannot pay the $1800, so he has hired a $5k lawyer to help him.


2. I don't personally know of any "data center" that charges people more if they exceed their bandwidth. they simply cut off access.

3. Hal says he turned his computer over to the FBI for 12 hours. the FBI does not take computer if they have been ddos'd. ISPs and local authorities may eventually get the FBI involved, but the feds don't just take a comp for a small time, forward the address to their homepage,and return the box.

Mr. Turner, i call bullshit.

khushnood said...
This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
Anonymous said...

Hal Turner is just a louder, crazier Jack Thompson.
He talks big, but very little of anything he says about anything is actually true or actually happens

John Sherman said...

Funny thing is I believe the people who are responsible for these attacks are probably white! As am I. Hal has galvanized us against his racist drivel.


OND OND said...
This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
zig-zag-rag said...

Hal's Parental Confusion: the 'father' who is sick is a step-father (he is recovering from leukemia - Hal garnered a lot of sympathy out of this story on 2006), so it is possible that his 'real' father died and this got confused with his mother.

But probably not - 90% of his website is lies.

By the way, I can't be bothered searching for the files, but doesn't his wife sound a lot like his 'mother'?

Anonymous said...

Hal's moved to blogspot? Cool!

Shame he'll be in violation of the ToS - - in moments.

You agree to not use the Service to: (a) upload, post or otherwise transmit any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable; (b) harm minors in any way;

James said...

henry- Owned.

James said...

request link to hal's blog lulz

Layrue said...

I would like to invite you all to come over to my domain and use my forum, I have posted some comments on there and hope you don't mind.
I am located at
keep ip the good work domain is Nazi,hate free so you are safe there.

James said...

Oh wait. Now I get it. That's why they haven't been posting. They were all banned for violating the terms of service. lulz

Also, hal's site is back up and he's calling us degenerate perverts who look at cartoon child porn.

lol. That hal is one silly bitch.

weezil said...

Don't think for a minute that Google/Blogger will honor that TOS.

James said...

Well, of course.
Not unless he gets reported.
which is sure to happen at least 136k times :)

tunginobi said...

Aaaand he's down for what seems to be the last time. See his show's blogspot.

Elmer Frazier said...

Everyone is fully aware that you Juvenile Turds want to suck Hal Turner's Dick

Lardman|Jaeryl said...

I'm Quite sure we don't.
Personally, Reporting his Blogspot is the best thing to do at this stage. Also, Hal Turner is quite retarded and over-reacts too much.

United as one. Divided By Zero. Indeed, this has been quite amazing seeing both 4, 7, SA, YTMND, AND ebaums all fight for the cause.

Pretty sure it's going to be the only time =/

Aryan Barbarian said...

Most of you all are jews and the ones who aren't jews are niggers and the ones who aren't niggers are fags and the ones who aren't fags are brainwashed little mommy's boys.

Grow-up and wake-up!!

You all need to stop this BS ASAP!!!

Leonard said...

Easy there, Aryan, and try not to hurt yourself with that "thinking" business. Wouldn't want to try forming too many polysyllabic words, lest you blow a gasket in that Pure Aryan® head of yours. I'm not sure you understand exactly what you're fucking with. There's hundreds of thousands of people on the internet who love to get their shits and giggles out of rousing the ire of ignorant twats like yourself, and they can do it with numbers, speed, efficiency, and with such little effort that you could hardly fathom such a thing. There's nothing you can do about it, save for calling the AOL police and lying out of your ass like Hal with bullshit threats and sophomoric insults.

The sooner you shut up like the trash-talking bitch you are, the sooner this whole thing will blow over. Now, be a good little internet SS Soldier and go back to typing furiously about how the niggers and Jews want to destroy God's America.

James said...

Aryan Barbarian, and Elmer frazier I would like to take my time to thank both of you for proving everyone's point.

And seriously, stop thinking. You're only going to hurt your limited vocabularies.

While I had nothing to do with any of these attacks, I believe that Hal Turner got every bit of what he deserved, and I'm glad he's been reduced to the insect that he really is.

We are Legion.

We do not forgive.

Sam said...

lol @ racism